Before Wade Robson also met Michael Jackson, the pop superstar was a giant in his mind.
"I saw the Making of [Michael Jackson’s] Thriller. & # 39; I became immediately obsessed. I wanted to be just like him. I dressed like him every day, I had the hair allowed to look like him and all those things. "
James Safechuck met Jackson on his ninth birthday while shooting a Pepsi commercial.
"I was not necessarily a big fan before I met him and then when I got the spot … when you see me meet him, it's the first time I see him." At that point I was pretty excited. "He said.
In a new shocking HBO documentary, "Leaving Neverland",claim that Jackson has sexually abused them for years – supports the – and discuss the intimate details of their relations with him. Throughout his life Jackson has always denied any inappropriate behavior with children.
Both men sued Jackson's property for alleged abuses, but their lawsuits were dismissed because of the statute of limitations. They are appealing.
For their first television interview on the documentary, the men spoke to "CBS This Morning", co-host of Gayle King, of their time with Jackson, including allegations of very graphic abuse, and how he was at Jackson & # 39. ; s Neverland Ranch, where Robson claims seven years of sexual abuse began with the world famous artist.
"This was the most magical thing I've ever seen … And that first night, Michael, took us some tour, and he said to me and my sister:" You can stay in one of the guest rooms or you can stay with me if you want. "And my reaction was:" Of course, I want to be with you, "Robson said. "We had an extra night that way my family and I were going and we were going to another kind of vacation at the Grand Canyon. I was devastated to leave Michael. Michael was devastated for me to go away. He actually sobbed."
So, Robson must stay. He said his parents allowed him to spend the following week with Jackson at Neverland Ranch.
"By the first or second night of Michael and I being alone at Neverland, the night started to change." One of the ways I remember it started, you know, Michael starts touching my legs and touching my crotch pants. … He progressed with him having oral sex with me, he showed me how to have oral sex on him, "Robson said.
"Did he scare you? Did you think it was wrong?" Churches King.
"A couple of days before the start of abuse, he started touching me in the sense of, like, hand on my leg, a lot of hugs, kissing my forehead, rubbing my hand, so it was this kind of physical development the proximity that was already happening seemed like a father, it was just fantastic, "he said. "When Michael started doing these sexual acts, he started talking to me about me, God united us, we love each other … And so we show our love".
Safechuck, nodding his head when Robson spoke, said his alleged abuse started similarly.
"He introduced me to masturbation … he said I taught him the French kiss … and then he switched to oral sex," Safechuck said.
"Were you scared or thought," Is this strange or wrong? " Churches King.
"No," said Safechuck. "And in the context of a warm and intimate relationship … there are no alarm bells in your head or thoughts like that. In fact, it's just," I love this person and we're looking for to rejoice one another. "And he said I was his first, but even as a child, you do not even know what it means … So you're a lover and you're the best friend . "
When asked what it means to be in a "relationship" for him at a young age, Safechuck said: "You really feel in tune with someone and you love them intensely".
The men have both stated that the attention of the pop icon, despite the age difference, was not at all strange at that time. He made them feel special.
"Yes, that was the way Michael approached the abuse, the sexual activity with me was always extremely tender," Robson said. "There's never been – I mean, he did not hit me, he did not know, he never told me bad things, it was all," we love each other " . It was all soft. "
Despite what they claim now, in 1993 both Robson and Safechuck denied being harassed by Jackson when the charges were brought by another boy, Jordan Chandler. That case resolved out of court.
In 2005, when Jackson faced criminal charges, Robson took his position and his testimony is often credited to help Jackson win in court.
"The training – the training of Michael to testify began the first night he started to abuse me," Robson said. "He started telling me that everyone else found out, we both go to jail, both our lives would be over."
Jackson's 2005 criminal trial focused on the harassment allegations brought by a child cancer survivor named Gavin Arvizo. Testimonies from the court show that Robson denied kissing, taking a shower, or even cuddling Jackson from the stand. He resisted a strict cross-examination and was called a star witness. Robson said he now has some sense of guilt about it.
"Yes, I think about it, I am and I do it, you know, I would like to be ready, I would like to help Gavin Arvizo to receive justice and some validation for what happened to him that was just like what happened to me and just what is happened to James and I wish I could have played a role at that time, preventing Michael from abusing many other guys he did later, "Robson said.
Both men believe there are other boys out there that Jackson has abused.
"But I do not expect them to start out as we are coming out, it's such a hard thing to get out," Safechuck said. "You must do it when you're ready."
"Yes, I think there are a lot of other guys that Michael has abused, I find it hard to believe he's had kids around for any other reason than sexually abusing them," Robson said.
"We can not change what happened to us, it happened, it's over, but what can we do now? How can we offer comfort to the other survivors? … Here's what it is." And Michael seems to be the boy, the. author of abuse in this story of child sexual abuse, "Robson said.
The Jackson family denounced Robson and Safechuck as "opportunists" and "admitted liars" and in a separate interview told King that they believe that men's accusations are motivated by money, which they both deny.
Robson, Safechuck said they were not rewarded for participating in the documentary and have no interest in its success.
The documentary faced criticism for not asking comments to the family or the estate of the musician, who sued HBO last week, defining the film as a "unilateral propaganda unpretentious propaganda to shamelessly exploit an innocent man who is no longer here to defend".
Asked to respond to this criticism, director Dan Reed told "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday, "We know the family and the estate[s] and Jackson during his lifetime and his lawyers deny all sexual abuse and those views are strongly represented in the film. We give those seen a lot of time in the movie on the screen and we have people questioning Wade's change of heart. "
"Leaving Neverland" airs on Sunday 3 March and Monday 4 March on HBO.